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CRISIS ON INFINITE EARTHS #8 (Nov 1985) DC Comics

cover:  George Perez
CRISIS ON INFINITE EARTHS #8
Date: Nov 1985
Cover Price: $0.75
Publisher: dccomics.com

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Reprints:

Death of the Flash


FLASH VS PSYCHO PIRATE (May 2003)
art by Perez at MOTOR CITY COMIC CON 2013    
FLASH: DEATH OF BART ALLEN by TONY DANIEL  (2008), commissioned by Frederic Lorge

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    Credits
    "A Flash Of The Lightning!" (22 pages)
    writer:  Marv Wolfman
    art:  George Perez
    Jerry Ordway
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    CBR: The 15 Most Heroic Superhero Deaths of All-Time

    posted Nov 16, 2016, 4:55 AM by Vu Nguyen


    CRISIS ON INFINITE EARTHS #8 (Nov 1985)
    DC Comics
    The 15 Most Heroic Superhero Deaths of All-Time
    20 hours ago by Brian Cronin in Comics, Lists, Comic News 


    (excerpt)

    2. Supergirl

    In “Crisis on Infinite Earths” #7 (by Marv Wolfman, George Perez, Dick Giordano and Jerry Ordway), the Anti-Monitor had greatly succeeded in his plan to destroy the Multiverse, as the Multiverse was down to just five Earths. The Anti-Monitor then came up with a device powered by stellar energy that he could use to destroy these remaining Earths. A group of some of the most powerful heroes on Earth showed up to attack the Anti-Monitor and destroy his weapon. Among the heroes were Superman, his cousin Supergirl and a brand-new hero, Doctor Light, who was still getting the hang of being a superhero.

    During the battle, the Anti-Monitor and Superman went one-on-one and Superman was badly beaten. Doctor Light was amazed that Supergirl stepped in and saved her cousin, deciding that Superman was not going to die today. Doctor Light couldn’t believe the heroism that she saw in this young woman. It inspired her to become a true hero herself. Supergirl took on the Anti-Monitor and managed to destroy his weapon, but in the process, she was killed. She managed to save her cousin, though, which was her main heroic goal (and, of course, all the aforementioned Earths).

    1. Flash

    In the previously mentioned event’s next issue (by Wolfman, Perez and Ordway), the Anti-Monitor went to his back-up plan, an anti-matter cannon, to destroy the remaining Earths. This time around, it was Barry Allen, the Flash, the fastest man alive, who had to stop him. As heroic as Supergirl’s death was, she didn’t 100% know that she was going to die when she went into her battle with the Anti-Monitor. She knew it was a very strong possibility (since she just saw what the Anti-Monitor did to her cousin), but she still hoped to make it out of the battle alive.

    That is the difference between her death and Barry Allen’s: Barry knew that the only way he could stop the anti-matter cannon was to run so fast that he would force its energies back onto itself, a process that Barry knew would kill him in the process (since the anti-matter energy was draining Barry as he was pushing it back upon itself). Barry Allen was a wonderful hero, though, so he pushed himself to the limit (and beyond) to save the Multiverse. Making it even more tragic was that he was completely aware throughout the process, constantly challenged by the dark thoughts of what he was doing to himself for the good of others. Very touching stuff, which is why it is the most heroic superhero death of all-time!


    The Hero Initiative and Flash Appreciation Day
    posted Feb 12, 2016, 12:25 AM by Vu Nguyen [ updated Feb 12, 2016, 12:27 AM ]


    CRISIS ON INFINITE EARTHS #8 (Nov 1985)
    DC Comics
    The Hero Initiative and Flash Appreciation Day
    By Guest Blogger @ February 11, 2016  10:00 am


    For Flash Appreciation Day, Nothing But Comics asked the Hero Initiative three questions about what they do, how you can help, and of course, the Flash:

    1. For readers that may be unfamiliar with the Hero Initiative, can you tell us how the organization helps comics creators?

    Long story short, we’re a medical and financial relief organization for comic book creators. We’ve literally kept people alive. There was a moment at the San Diego con a few years ago that was surreal for me. An artist that we benefited came up to me to thank me for the help we had given him. He was shaking my hand, with tears streaming down his cheeks. He had been living on about $90 a week, and was eating one meal a day. He didn’t know what to do, or where to turn, and he was ready to take his own life. He had literally written the suicide note when he stumbled upon us. We were able to get him back on his feet, and he’s alive today, doing much better.

    We’ve literally paid back rent when people were 48 hours from being evicted, paid electric bills when people were 24 hours from having utilities shut off, and paid for desperately needed operations that weren’t covered by medical insurance as well.

    (excerpt)

    3. Since it’s Flash Appreciation Day, I’d like to ask the Hero Initiative team if you have a favorite iteration of the Flash character (Jay Garrick, Barry Allen, Wally West, or Bart Allen)?

    Here’s what some members of our Board of Directors had to say:

    George Pérez, former Teen Titans writer, artist:

    Barry was always MY  Flash. He’s the one I grew up with and there is something a bit poignant about being the artist who “killed” him back in the ’80s. Since I was drawing Wally as a member of the New Teen Titans, he will always be Kid Flash to me.


    The Greatest "Flash" Writers of All Time
    posted Jan 7, 2015, 5:59 PM by Vu Nguyen


    CRISIS ON INFINITE EARTHS #8 (Nov 1985)
    DC Comics
    FLASH FACT: The Greatest "Flash" Writers of All Time
    Posted: 01/07/2015 Marc Buxton


    "The Flash" is a bona fide hit for The CW, with millions of fans thrilling to the adventures of Barry Allen as the Fastest Man Alive. The live-action series manages to bring a fresh take to the DC Comics character while paying tribute to his rich and diverse history. But that history didn't simply appear out of thin air -- some of the finest writers in comics have lent their talents to telling the adventures of several different iterations of the Scarlet Speedster.

    (excerpt)

    8. Marv Wolfman

    At first glance, Marv Wolfman might seem a very strange pick for one of the top Flash writers; after all, he never actually wrote an issue of "The Flash" solo series. However, he did write the respectful and heart-wrenching death of Barry Allen in "Crisis on Infinite Earths" #8. In the pages of DC's first mega-event, Wolfman crafted a suitable farewell for Allen, a moment that solidified Barry's status as a true hero and a legend.

    Wolfman took Barry from the DC Universe, but in the years preceding Barry's death, Wolfman also created a suitable replacement for the classic hero. In the pages of his legendary run on "New Teen Titans," Wolfman, along with artist George Perez, took Wally West and crafted him into a rich and deep character. By the time Barry Allen was gone, DC had a replacement ready and waiting thanks to Wolfman's deft characterization of the Flash's former sidekick.




    DC Brings Back Barry Allen
    25 July 2008, 8:14AM CDT by vu (vu sleeper)
    From Vu


    CRISIS ON INFINITE EARTHS #8 (Nov 1985)
    DC Comics
    I saw the news that Geoff Johns and Ethan Van Sciver are bringing back Flash (Barry Allen), see excerpt below.  Although I love Johns' writing and Van Sciver's Bolland-esque detail art style, I have to confess that I'm not thrilled about them bringing back the Flash.  It defeats the whole point of the original Crisis.  I can't say I'm that excited about all the new Crisis series either, it just seems like there is a lack of originality.

    >>>
    DC Brings Back Barry Allen
    July 25, 2008

    DC Comics made a number of announcements at the San Diego Comic-Con on Thursday none of which was bigger than the news that Geoff Johns and Ethan Van Sciver were bringing back the long dead Silver Age Flash, Barry Allen, in a mini-series entitled Flash: Rebirth, which is slated to debut in early 2009.  Fans will remember that Johns and Van Sciver formed the creative team on the highly successful resurrection of Hal Jordan as the Green Lantern in the similarly titled Green Lantern: Rebirth series from 2005.  Since the Green Lantern is now one of DC’s top titles, Dan Didio and company are clearly hoping that Johns and Van Sciver will be able to perform their magic on the Silver Age Flash who took a “dirt bath” more than two decades ago during the Crisis on Infinite Earth event in 1985.



    News: True Heroes Don't Stay Dead

    September 21, 2005 07:00 pm
     From www.silverbulletcomics.com
    True Heroes Don’t Stay Dead (unless they’re named Bucky)
    Wednesday, September 21
    By Ariel Carmona Jr.

    (excerpt)


    CRISIS ON INFINITE EARTHS #8 (Nov 1985)
    DC Comics
    DEADMAN: DEAD AGAIN #1 (Oct 01)
    In the first issue of this excellent but underrated 5 issue miniseries, Steve Vance, Leonard Kirk (fresh off a stint in Supergirl) and Rick Burchett (Batman/Huntress: Cry for Blood) pay homage to Crisis On Infinite Earths Marv Wolfman and George Perez’ maxi series about the death of multiple Earths and universes. In Dead Again, Vance masterfully takes elements from Crisis to craft an original story starring Deadman, whose alias as circus trapeze artist Boston Brand is reborn after he is murdered by a thug named the hook.

    In issue #1 Deadman is trying to save the Flash from dying again in the Crisis, but what he doesn’t know is that his old enemy, a powerful brujo named Darius Caldera, wants to trap Flash’s soul for his own evil purposes. I’ve always though Deadman was one of DC’s most interesting but underrated characters from back in the day. This entire series is a joy to read, if only because it retells some of the most pivotal events in DC continuity such as the death of Jason Todd in a fresh, original story. Darius Caldera is a powerful adversary and the art by Kirk and Burchett is colorful and beautiful. What’s even more intriguing is the fact the day is saved not by one of DC’s heavy hitters like Superman or Batman (though they both make appearances) but by a little known hero like Deadman who constantly acknowledges throughout the series he is a third stringer at best. Pure fun throughout as Deadman is witness to a different death each issue teleporting from each event a la Quantum Leap. I highly recommend this little known series.

     November 4, 2003 | CBG's Retroview: Crisis
    From COMICS BUYER'S GUIDE #1565 (14 Dec 2003)

    COMICS BUYER'S GUIDE #1565 (14 Dec 2003)
    RETROVIEW: CRISIS ON INFINITE EARTHS
    written by Jim Johnson
    published in COMICS BUYER'S GUIDE #1565 (14 Dec 2003)
    website: www.comicsbuyersguide.com

    DC editors bestowed four-color godhood upon Marv Wolfman, when they OK'd his proposal to revamp the company's incomprehensible 50-year history in the early 1980s. and, like an angry deity come judgment day, Wolfman waved his hand and wiped countless redundant universes from existence, making the DC universe a more accessible place for new readers.

    Of course, fandom would have settled for no one other than George Pérez to illustrate such an epic, and Pérez superceded all expectations by turning in one of the finest efforts of his career.


    CRISIS ON INFINITE EARTHS #1 (Apr 85)

    Wolfman wastes no time getting started, beginning the culling of the multiverse on the second page. With the ironically heroic demise of Earth-3's Crime Syndicate immediately thereafter, Wolfman also kicks off the first of many emotionally intense and beautifully constructed death sequences.

    It's a bit unfortunate that the remainder of the issue is little more than exposition for the rest of the series, but riding along while various heroes and villains from different Earths and eras are brought together is, nonetheless, a fanboy's delight.

    CRISIS ON INFINITE EARTHS #2 (May 85)

    It's another fairly slow issue, action-wise. But that's barely noticed amid the excitement generated from the intermingling of such characters from different Earths and time periods as Kamandi and Earth-2's Superman, for example.

    Amazingly, among the dozen of characters utilized (so far), Wolfman still manages to squeeze in panel time for individual characters, like The Flash and Psycho Pirate, who eventually play important roles. And, as if that weren't enough, he jams a few intriguing plot developments into an already-packed issue. Astonishing.

    CRISIS ON INFINITE EARTHS #3 (Jun 85)

    It would be easy to criticize the fact that all Wolfman does here is fill another issue with unlikely, ragtag alliances plopped into random time periods.

    Except it's just too doggone cool not to like, and this is what we all paid 75¢ to see, after all.

    This is fun, plain and simple. But it's obviously none are having as much fun as Wolfman and Pérez themselves, who are making the most of the limited playtime allotted to them In comicdom's biggest sandbox.

    [ Read more CBG's Retroview: Crisis ]

     October 9, 2003 | The Answerman (Oct 6)
    From Silver Bullet Comics

    It's Bob Rozakis The Answer Man!: Q&A and Lots of Feedback
    Monday, October 6
    By Bob Rozakis

    (excerpt)

    CRISIS ON INFINITE EARTHS #7 (Oct 1985)

    CRISIS ON INFINITE EARTHS #8 (Nov 1985)
    DC Comics
    I was recently discussing the Crisis on Infinite Earths and the deaths of Supergirl and Barry Allen in that particular series. I don't know if this question has ever come up before, but what hoops does a writer/creative team have to go through to bring about the end of a character? Or even to create new characters?

    How much input does the publisher or editor-in-chief have? Or even a VP of sales or marketing, if any? What is the deliberative process? Do any of these people anticipate fan reaction? Market reaction? If so, how? Is there polling?

    Finally, are other creative teams with experience in these areas consulted on how to approach these subjects?
    -- Mike Cruz

    Killing off a character is a lot harder than creating a new one. In the days when comics featured self-contained stories, there were new characters popping up in almost every issue. New villains turned up regularly in the Batman books of the 50s and 60s and Flash's Rogues' Gallery grew steadily through the first couple of years.

    Doing away with a major character like Barry Allen or Supergirl requires a lot more levels of approval than killing off a minor player. When Cary Bates and Julie Schwartz decided to kill The Top in THE FLASH, I doubt they discussed it with anyone else.

     April 26, 2003 | Comics 101: Crisis
    From Movie Poop Shoot

    COMICS 101: AND THEN THERE WAS ONE
    April 23, 2003
    By Scott Tipton

    (excerpt)

  • CRISIS #1
  • In the early 1980s, Len Wein and Marv Wolfman were two of the hottest writers/editors in comics. Longtime fans turned professionals, Wein and Wolfman had both had stints in the editor-in-chief position at Marvel Comics, as well as turning in extremely popular, high-profile stints as writers. Wolfman had written just about every comic Marvel had put out, including a notable run on TOMB OF DRACULA with Gene Colan, while Wein had made a name for himself on AMAZING SPIDER-MAN and FANTASTIC FOUR, not to mention co-creating the new X-Men and Wolverine. Eventually, both found themselves at DC Comics, where Wein had a lengthy and well-regarded run on JUSTICE LEAGUE OF AMERICA, among others, and Wolfman created THE NEW TEEN TITANS with artist George Perez, a critical and commercial smash hit.

    Wein and Wolfman were of the belief that the parallel Earths of the DC Universe were far too complex and confusing to the common reader, and came to DC’s Publisher Jenette Kahn with a bold proposal: a 12-issue miniseries (unheard of at the time) that would involve all of DC’s characters, past, present and future, in a mammoth, cataclysmic adventure that would result in a single, elegant, consistent DC universe. Much to their surprise, Kahn approved the idea, and set them off to begin the research for what would be the single most ambitious project in DC’s publishing history.

    With both Wein and Wolfman working full-time as writers/editors, the bulk of the research fell to Peter Sanderson, a comics fan/historian, who over the course of three years or so read every comic National/DC ever produced, taking extensive notes. The research took so long that the miniseries was postponed, eventually scheduled for 1985, which just happened to be DC’s 50th anniversary. When Wolfman nervously presented his first synopsis of the series to Kahn, he feared he may have been too outrageous, asking for changes that were too radical. To his surprise, Kahn returned the synopsis, asking Wolfman to take another crack at it and be even bolder, to really shake things up. Wolfman delivered.

    [ Read more on MoviePoopShoot.com ]

     December 19, 2002 | Today's News (Dec 19)
    From Marv Wolfman
    TODAY'S NEWS
    12/19/02

    Maybe I'm perverse or something, but I've been asked so many times how I intended to resurrect Barry (The Flash) Allen - I let slip the fact that I had an 'out' for his death (thought of back in 1985) in my introduction to the "Crisis on Infinite Earths" collection - that I decided to put the answer here on marvwolfman.com. The thing is, I also decided not to tell anyone where I put it. It's here. Somewhere. I guarantee it. And it's not that hidden, truth to tell, but there is no direct link to it. That's my holiday mystery gift for everyone - so get the Scoobies together and find it if you can but please don't spoil the fun by telling everyone else where it is. You can, of course, talk about whether you agree with my solution or not, and if you have a better way of resurrecting Barry on my message boards.

     November 14, 2002 | Crisis: Influential
    From Vu
  • YOUNG JUSTICE #51 (Jan 03), cover by Todd Nauck and Lary Stucker, homage to CRISIS ON INFINITE EARTHS #12 (signed as "Nauck & Stucker after Pérez")
  • DEADMAN: DEAD AGAIN #1 (of 4) (Oct 01), cover by Jose Garcia Lopez and Kevin Nowlan. One page article about CRISIS ON INFINITE EARTHS #8 and the death of the Barry Allen Flash.
  • MIGHTY MOUSE #5 (Feb 91), cover by Ernie Colon, homage to CRISIS ON INFINITE EARTHS #12 (signed as "Ernie Pérez")
  • For a series that no one was supposed to remember (except the Pyscho Pirate), it sure comes up a lot...

    DEADMAN: DEAD AGAIN #1 had a one-page article at the end, talking about how CRISIS continues to be the most influential series ever produced. George is mentioned as well as the cover to CRISIS ON INFINITE EARTHS #8 was shown.

    MIGHTY MOUSE #5 was signed as Ernie Pérez so for the longest time I thought that George had inked the cover, this is false. George did, however, drew the cover to MIGHTY MOUSE #4 (which was based on his own cover to CRISIS ON INFINITE EARTHS #7.)

     July 14, 2002 | Flash Lives
    From Marv Wolfman
    Flash lives!!!

    For those hundreds of people who have been asking how I intended to bring back Barry Allen from death in "Crisis On Infinite Earths" the answer will now be revealed once an for all! If you remember, Flash was moving backward through time, from the future to the (1985) present. Occasionally he would pop up for an instant before the time stream closed up on him once again. My idea was to pluck him out of one second of time. From this moment on Barry would know that the time stream could close in on him for the last time at any instant. For the first time in his life, Barry understood that every moment mattered to him. He therefore had to do as much good as he could knowing any moment might be his last. Because it was felt by some (not me) that Barry wasn't as dynamic a character as many others, I thought this character alteration would make him more interesting to the readers at large. I could bring him back from the dead and add a dynamic tension to the character that others felt he lacked. I proposed this solution from Day one, but for good or bad - your decision - it wasn't taken. Was I right? Well, I think it would have given Barry the 'oomph' some thought he lacked. On the other hand, Wally West as the new Flash has been an incredibly popular character for fifteen years now.

     July 13, 2002 | Crisis Question
    From Silver Bullet Comics
  • CRISIS #7
  • WHAT TH--?
    Sunday, July 7
    By Marv Wolfman

    Letters. We've Got Letters!

    (excerpt)

    Q: Why didn’t DC Comics stop you from killing Supergirl/Flash/ Earth 3/The Green Stringbean, etc. in Crisis On Infinite Earths?

    A: Well, the truth is I went behind the backs of the company; the president, publisher, proofreaders, assistants, production department, curious bystanders, my dog, Tala, and random others and see if I could sneak in the deaths of major characters, all by myself, without anyone noticing. Also, because I don’t like green stringbeans and he deserved to die anyway! Final also, I personally get a visceral thrill in taking things that don’t really exist in the first place and murdering them.

    There! At last I’ve told the truth. I’m glad to have gotten that off my chest after all the years. You have no idea how many times I’ve lied about this when I repeatedly said I worked hand-in-hand with the company in choosing our “death list.” Fortunately, nobody believed my lies and you’ve now forced me to come clean. I already am sleeping better. Thank you.


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