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JLA/AVENGERS #1 (Errata) (1983)

cover: George Pérez (not actual cover)

JLA/AVENGERS #1 (Errata) (1983)
DC Comics/Marvel Comics

"" (48 pages)

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Gerry Conway
George Perez
George Pérez
Jim Shooter/Dick Giordano

George Pérez drew approximately 21 pages of the crossover, but differences between DC and Marvel forced the comic to be cancelled. This resulted in George leaving Marvel Comics until the end of WAR OF THE GODS (1992). You can read about it COMICS INTERVIEW #104.
In February 2001, it was announced that a new AVENGERS/JLA (2003) are in the works.

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    JLA/AVENGERS #1 (Errata) (1983)

    Jim Shooter's story of the death of the Marvel/DC crossovers, part five

    posted Jul 24, 2011 11:21 AM by vu sleeper

    From Contact

    7/23/2011 17:09:04  
    chris writes:

    interesting blog in case you haven't seen it

    www.jimshooter.com

    >>>

    JLA/AVENGERS #1 (Errata) (1983)
    The Secret Origin and Gooey Death of the Marvel/DC Crossovers – Part Five, the Last
    Friday, July 22, 2011

    And Then Things Got Ugly

    Dick Giordano asked me to meet him for lunch on May 26th, I believe. He picked an Italian place on Madison Avenue near 42nd Street, about halfway between DC and Marvel’s offices.

    He had this news: Gerry Conway had quit the project. Okay. Apparently, that was Roy Thomas, however, had expressed interest in scripting the book. Fine, I said, but he’s going to have to start from scratch. First, we needed a new plot.

    (excerpt)

    The Marvel Comics of the 1980’s site has this to say:

    “It wasn’t hard to see why Perez would draw the conclusion that Jim Shooter didn’t want this crossover with him, especially finally approving the story after Perez had taken himself off the project.”

    Wrong. I never approved the original plot. I approved Roy’s rewritten plot. George actually bailed after I’d told Roy and Dick that Roy’s revision was directionally okay.

    In an interview, George Pérez said this:

    “I do not want this taken wrongly because I am a fan of Don Heck’s work. But Shooter knows full well that Heck will never sell the book, not because of any inferiority in Don’s work, it’s just that he is not a fan favorite and with a fan book this is definitely important. He is doing everything in his power to sabotage this ...”

    Why would I sabotage the project? In what way would that benefit me or Marvel?

    “I am not going to let Jim Shooter get away with this, and I’m going to use every available means to let people know what Jim’s done. If people don’t believe what I say, at least I’ve gotten it out of my system.”

    Get away with what? Where’s my gain?

    I never spoke with George about this, during the brouhaha or since.

    All that George heard was what DC people told him. Do you think they told him that I was a steadfast champion of quality and a pillar of integrity who did not want the characters that we, George and I, loved being so ill-used in such a rotten-plot story?


     November 13, 2003 | Legion Companion Review
    From Vu


    Well, with the retail price of $24.95, I definitely would only recommend this book to hardcore George Pérez fans only. Although there are a lot of great Steve Lightle and Dave Cockrum's artwork, if you're only picking up for Pérez it might be a tough sell.

    DREAMER (2002), commissioned by Michael, published in LEGION COMPANION
    I have not had the chance to read through it yet - but there are 222 pages and is very text-heavy. If you like the Legion of Super-Heroes, this is the book for you. There are lots of interviews with various Legion-related writers and artists, as well as a lot of unpublished artwork featuring the Legion.

    Here are some of the Pérez art that you'll find in the book: SUN BOY (2001), LIGHTNING LAD/SATURN GIRL (1978), STARBOY (2002), LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES #278, Ladies of the Legion (early 80s), LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES #280, SUPERBOY/REFLECTO/ULTRABOY (1982), LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES #279, ULTRABOY (2002), ATMOS (2001), DAWNSTAR (2001), SUPERGIRL (1999), and DREAMER (2002). More Legionnaires artwork can be found on www.legionnaires.com.

    I have never seen the 80's convention sketches, or Michael (Lieb?)'s commission of DREAMER.

    Here is an excerpt from an interview with Jim Shooter (who also wrote the introduction to the book):


    JLA/AVENGERS #1 (Errata) (1983)
    JIM SHOOTER PART TWO
    interview 25 Jan 2003
    conducted by Glen Cadigan

    (excerpt)

    So the book was terrible. The thing is, George Pérez, with the art… [it] looked great. [laughs] it was fine. But the plot was all screwed up. So I rejected it. So they get into just a hissy fit, and they're writing fanzine articles, and they're doing interviews, and they're writing in their Bullpen Bulletins page what assholes we are and stuff like that.

    I finally had to reply. I wrote one column, saying, "This is what happened," 'cause that was the only question I ever got asked at conventions. And they were all up in arms. They kept saying, "It's fait accompli."

    Dick [Giordano] took me to lunch, and he said, "What's the difference? Who gives a shit? Just put a bunch of characters in it, they fight, it'll sell like crazy. We'll all make money." He said, "None of these books are any good."

    I said, "excuse me, I wrote one, and it's not bad and it could be good, and at least it should be faifthful to the characters. "

     September 22, 2003 | Baltimore Con Report (SunWuKong)
    From SunWuKong

    My Baltimore Comicon Report
    posted 9/21/03 7:29 PM

    Just got back from the Baltimore Comicon 2003 and, as usual, I had one hell of a time (and hell on my finances). Here's what I can remember from the con regarding Perez:

    • Crossgen's "The War" is going to be 3 issues long and it's going to be written by Ron Marz. The first issue is going to be solicted in May of 2004. It's going to resolve many storylines in many of the Crossgen titles.
    • Perez is jubelent about JLA/Avengers first issue success. He says that he can finally clear out is debts and then some. The selling of the art alone is going to provide his wife with a new car! He also is very glad that this series is totally going to be for the fans.
    • As of today. 1/4 of issue 4 of JLA/Avengers is pen & inked. It looks like it will meet the Dec 31st release date. Perez is very commited to meeting the deadline so that all of the issues will be released before 2004.
    • There is talk of about what format the collected edition is going to be. Perez said that DC is talking to put it into an "absolute" HC format (which I will lobby to no end!). They also said that the prior JLA/Avengers art might be printed in the collected edition as well.
    • Perez needs the cover to issue 3 back because he needs to draw 4 more characters in it! It took 3 weeks for him to draw it. Tom Smith was asking fan at the con to find him color references for some of the characters!
    • I did get one nugget of exclusive info. Hawkeye and Black Canary will meet in issue 3.
    That's all I can think of right now. I'll see how much will get back to me later on in the week.
     July 17, 2003 | Back Issue Cover & Info
    From Twomorrows Mailing List

    Coming Soon - November 2003 Shipping
    Thu, 17 Jul 2003 22:31:58 -0000

    This is TwoMorrows Publishing's July 2003 "Coming Soon" newsletter spotlighting our November-shipping items.

    >>>
    BACK ISSUE #1


    Jump on board for the ultimate comics experience: BACK ISSUE magazine! Edited by Michael Eury (former DC and Dark Horse editor/writer and author of Captain Action: The Original Super-Hero Action Figure), BACK ISSUE celebrates comic books of the 1970s, 1980s, and today through a variety of recurring (and rotating) departments. #1's theme is "DC vs. Marvel," featuring: A "Pro2Pro" dialogue between Marv Wolfman and George Pérez on the pros and cons of working for Marvel and DC in the '70s and '80s-accompanied by rare Pérez artwork! A "Greatest Stories Never Told" examination of the original JLA/Avengers crossover, featuring unpublished George Pérez pages-plus a spotlight on the new JLA/Avengers miniseries! A "Rough Stuff" look at '70s and '80s DC and Marvel penciled artwork by the "King" himself, Jack Kirby! A "Beyond Capes" evaluation of DC's and Marvel's Tarzan series, with interviews with and artwork by Joe Kubert, John Buscema, and Roy Thomas! An "Off My Chest" guest editorial by former DC editorial director Carmine Infantino, recalling DC's 1970s' battle plan to challenge Marvel's market dominance! PLUS: A "Back Talk" letters column featuring commentary from ppos and fans who aren't afraid to choose sides in the DC vs. Marvel war, and a dynamic Batman vs. Captain America cover by George Pérez!

    The 100 page, saddle-stitched 8-1/2" x 11" magazine with a full color cover and black-and-white interiors retails for $5.95 in the U.S. and is available directly from TwoMorrows for $8 Postpaid (Canada: $10, Elsewhere: $11 Surface, $15 Airmail). Ships in November.

     July 2, 2003 | Shooter on JLA/A
    From Glen Cadigan


    JLA/AVENGERS #1 (Errata) (1983)

    There's something else inside [LEGION COMPANION TPB] which may interest Perez fans. During my interview with Jim Shooter, we got a little off track and started discussing the inter-company crossovers between Marvel and DC during the Seventies and Eighties. He went on record, at length, about the first JLA/Avengers crossover and told his side of the story. I don't want to give it all away, but Perez fans can rest assured that George's pencils weren't the reason why the project got cancelled. Still, it's kind of ironic that the first issue of the new JLA/Avengers is going on sale the same month as the Shooter interview. Talk about timing!

     June 22, 2003 | Back Issue #1 Features Perez
    From Vu

    Sources say that TwoMorrows will be starting a new monthly magazine, edited by Michael Eury, to replace Comic Book Artist. The first issue this fall will reportedly have a Perez cover, and a planned interview between George Perez, Marv Wolfman, and Andy Mangels. There will also be material in the issue about the original JLA/Avengers book. More news as it becomes available.

     June 3, 2003 | Cup O' Joe Transcription
    From ES

    Eric: Ah Yes, Joe (Quesada). Tom (Brevoort) announced yesterday that JLA/AVENGERS is coming out in September and George (Perez) has said you were one of the catalyst to get this project up and running... Was it one of those things that when you started up as Editor-in-Chief that you wanted to get done?


    Mr. Joe Quesada: Ah Yeah, there were a bunch of little dream projects and things that were just sort of sitting around.. and things just didn't get done because things became a pissing match between MARVEL and DC... you know... Ah... So one of the first things I did was... I just pulled Tom (Brevoort) aside... and I had a list of things I wanted to get done and I pulled Tom aside... who, who... if you don't know Tom Brevoort is... he is one of the greatest comic historians EVER.

    Tom could tell you everything about the history of comics. I said, 'Tom just give me the history of why this project didn't happen' and he just laid it out for me. I was like 'Wow'... So it just like, you know, someone handed in something late to one company so the other company retaliation, handed in their end even later and then someone insulted someone and so on and so on... and the thing never got done.

    So I figured you know what... (jokingly) before I start insulting people at DC, let me get this project going. (jokingly) OK so I got the project going then started insulted people at DC... but It ws just one of those things we just sat down with DC and said "look lets just do this". You know, George is not getting any younger, and no of us are getting any younger, and the fans have been asking for this forever.. Lets just do it!

    We got all the pieces in place and then once these guys started, we just all stepped away and just let them finish it. We worked out a nice little clean deal were it's all happy... and everybody's happy go lucky and we'll have a great book out that will live forever. So George can know... you know... Someday when George leaves this mortal plane it will be on his tombstone: 'JLA/AVENGERS... Finished' (laughs)

     May 30, 2003 | Shooter Interview in Wizard
    From WIZARD #142 (Jul 03)

    STRAIGHT SHOOTER
    Written by Mike Cotton

    Lauded as a comic genius, Editor-in-Chief Jim Shooter presided over the most tumultuous - and groundbreaking - tenure in Marvel Comics history

    (excerpt)

    In 1982, Shooter agreed to a JLA/Avengers one-shot with DC Comics. The project quickly dissolved into a disaster.

    Four months into the project, Shooter received the first plot and found it complete unreadable. The Marvel EIC refused to allow artist George Pérez to even begin penciling the book until a new plot was submitted. However, his edict was allegedly ignored, and Pérez penciled over 20 pages before finally being told to stop drawing. As the plot was revised, both parties became short-tempered and the project was scuttled. Marv Wolfman, the man who hired Shooter (and the third writer to work on the crossover), pointed the finger at his one-time protégé.

    "Jim has gone out of his way to put a wedge between Marvel and every other company," Wolfman told a British fanzine in September of 1983. "He doesn't want team-ups."

    But according to Louise Simpson, Shooter wasn't a tyrant - just a man who was so passionate about producing some of the best comics in the world had ever seen, placating egos wasn't a concern.

    "I think people did take his enthusiasm the wrong way," says Simpson. "[Creators and editors] did think he was mean. After a while you just get tired and you want people to shut up and do what they're told - do it right and do it the right the first time. I mean, you say the same things 500 times and you figure you've said it enough that people should just do it."

     May 10, 2003 | JLA/A Panel Part 7
    From ES

    JLA/AVENGERS PANEL
    10 May 2003 12:46:49 -0400
    transcribed by ES

    Continuing the extensive coverage of THE JLA/AVENGERS PANEL from PITTSBURGH COMICON (April 25-27, 2003).

    >>>


    Fan: What's the difference this time between working on it, this time around and as it was 20 years ago working with ah you know Roy (Thomas) and all of them?

    George Perez: There are many difference between this version and the last version. You see one of the things we can't recapture with this version is the uniqueness of it. There have been so many Marvel/DC crossovers in the course of the 20 years since the original JLA/AVENGERS was planned, ah, that's one negative we can never be able to get back.

    That by the very nature we are doing Post-Crisis versions of a lot of characters. Hey, the word "Post" and "Pre" Crisis didn't exist when the original JLA/AVENGERS was done. It proceeded the CRISIS ON INFINITE EARTH series which some of the concepts for the original JLA/AVENGERS were used in CRISIS ON INFINITE EARTH and we are utilizing some of those same concepts for the current version.

    You see there are just so many comic stories you can do. You are probably going to notice when you see the first five pages a definite little tip of the hat to CRISIS ON INFINITE EARTH you'll be able to tell when you see it, ah, if you can't see it well then you will have to ask what were you talking about?

    Ah, I like to think I have improved as a artist in 20 years. I would not have had the skill to ink myself, ah, 20 years ago on a project that big, which is why Dick Giordano was the inker at the time, ah, and story wise Kurt probably because of the history, ah, of the original project is treating this like the major event that he feels and we all feel that it is.

    I, with all do respect to Gerry Conway, I believe he thought of it a just another job and Kurt is there to say, 'Ok people have two decades, we didn't have 20 years of anticipation then either and we have a lot to ah hopefully live up to.'

    Are we going to make a lot of people happy we hope so are we going to make some people upset or feeling less that fulfilled probably 20 years of anticipations a lot to live up to. All I can say is that we are trying are best there and that no one is taking any short cuts, ah, there was one issue of JLA/AVENGERS I think went through eight rewrites and I might be underestimating, ah, the only redrawing I had to do was that damn GREEN LANTERN costume (laughs).

    After a while (background noise) sorry no one changes their underwear much less their custom during the rest of the story but one thing great advantage of still working on it is there is a possibility that I can sneak in the new version of Aquaman now somewhere in the four issue to keep it current.

    You know so much has changed in the course of the two years that I have been drawing this project so I will do something but the main parts of the story AQUAMAN is, ah, Captain Hook, ah, and that's the interpretation we are using for the bulk of the story because that's how he was when we started.

    I think most people are smart enough to know that this isn't set in any real time. It is set in Earth-$ (Dollar Sign) that I call it (everyone laughs). You are going to see members of the JLA that if you look at them visually and they don't correspond to maybe the AVENGERS in that same Time frame but of course you are going to have to be a little flexible.

    One of the great things also because so much history has changed in the course of MARVEL and DC Universes is this story has a lot more time spanning and time travel aspects to it and inter-dimension type stuff so we get to draw things that if you had to be literal to the time line you wouldn't get a chance to do.

    You couldn't draw Hal Jordan as GREEN LANTERN, you would have to be literal to your time line, ah, certain characters who are dead, ah, or otherwise no longer able to function, you want to be able to use them, the fans want to see them. There are the Hal Jordan fans who are going to be very happy as I said.

    I get to draw the gold eagle on WONDER WOMAN barde again. Despite the fact technically under the continuity it shouldn't exist ever because I rebooted the character, ah, but Kurt said you know if we put it here and we can explain it away because who wouldn't want to see that eagle one last time.

    You know, so, yes, Kurt, Tom and everyone involved with the book are big fan boys as am I so one of the problems we had with the original one was: A) It was shorter so you had little you could expand and, ah, some of the criticisms of the plot were that you couldn't show this character because it didn't follow the literal time line and my whole feeling than and now is this is a fan boy's dream. This is what you have been waiting to see.

    Yes, Kurt is going to try to make it as logical as possible but there is going to be some stuff that, as Marv Wolfman says, you are going to have to spray the fairy dust on and let your imagination run wild. We are going to have fun with this book. It's a lot of work and I hope it's going to be worth the wait for you, ah, for me (laughs)

    I just looking forward to not having to answer when is JLA/AVENGERS coming out, which is the reason you guys are here (laughs)

    to be continued...

    Coming up: George talks about the Spectre, Hal Jordan, and James Corrigan.

     March 3, 2003 | What The?
    From ES


    I don't know if you have seen or read it but the 12-page story is hilarious. (Cover Dated April 1990).

    It is called "Us Against Them" and it's a spoof of the Avengers/Justice League crossover that never happened.

     January 4, 2003 | JLA/A Poll
    From Kirk
    JLA/A Question
    Would you like to see the original JLA/Avengers story finished as well by someone like Phil Jimenez? (since George Perez will be contractually forbidden to do anymore on it)

    Hell Yea! That's a no brainer.
    Yes, but not by Phil.
    I could care less.
    If George can't do it, no one can.
    Have different popular artist each do a chapter of the un finished story.

    Current Results

    Updated 06 Jan 03
    From Kirk: George will finish the current series that will be out later this year, but after the series is finished he won't be allowed to do work for say JLA/Avengers series two. Should they ever decide to do one. I'm not sure, but I don't think he be able to do work for anyone but Crossgen. The Poll is refering to the original story from 1982 that featured the JLA and Avengers from the early 80's of course, of which George had already penciled 21 pages before it was cancelled. The pages looked great, but he'll never finish them. Chapters we could've looked forward to included a big Superman/Thor fight aboard Galactus ship and so on. So if George can't finish it, why not give us a bonus and let Phil Jimenez finish that original story. Who cares about continuity. It can be an else worlds story. The already penciled pages look awesome! Or possibly finish the first story with a different art team doing a different chapter like Alan Davis doing the chapter with Green Lantern and Ironman. Or Bryan Hitch doing the Aquaman and Namor chapter.

     November 1, 2002 | Comics Interview Cover
    From George Pérez, via Forum

    Another correction
    posted 10/31/02 3:06 PM

    Hi again:

    I mentioned this in my panel at the Baltimore Comicon so I figure I should clarify something here as well since I noticed the same mistake in a recent update by Vu. The JLA/AVENGERS cover that appeared in COMICS INTERVIEW #6 and reprinted in other editions of the magazine was an original done specifically for that magazine. There is no JLA/AVENGERS cover that was drawn specifically for the crossover.

    So, technically. it should be listed in all checklists as the cover of COMICS INTERVIEW #6 and any reprinting of it should refer to it as a reprint of the cover of CI#6, not JLA/AVENGERS #1.

    I hope that's clear. I know how much the fans appreciate accuracy.

    Take care,
    GPz

    From ES
    Original Cover art JLA/AVENGERS
    Thu, 31 Oct 2002 00:21:16 -0500

    I found out from Mr. Perez at the JLA/Avengers panel in Baltimore that the comic cover drawn for the Comics Interview Magazine was never the cover to the actual project. It was just drawn for the magazine. Mr. Perez stated he never got a chance to do a cover before the project was stopped. Just thought that was interesting trivia that I never knew.

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  •  August 10, 2002 | Additional Newsarama Comments
    From Newsarama
    From Kurt Busiek
    posted August 09, 2002 02:03 PM

    >> How can they ask the sites to remove the pages? If they belong to a private buyer, they are his/hers to display.>>

    No, they're not.

    Buying the physical artwork does not give you the right to publish it. DC and Marvel retain the copyright to those pages, which includes the right to publish them on the web.

    The private buyer -- in this case, the owner of the physical pages is Rob Liefeld, who doesn't seem to be the guy who put them up on the web -- has the right to display the actual physical pages, but not the right to publish copies or scans of them, even electronically.

    That said, I don't know who asked for them to be taken down either, or why.

    From George Pérez
    posted August 09, 2002 03:03 PM

    Hi:
    Believe it or not, I actually signed on to this message board strictly to address the unexpected controversy regarding the removal of the 1980's JLA/AVENGERS pages from two websites.

    First and foremost: I was the one who asked that the pages be removed, and no one at either DC or Marvel were aware of anything regarding this matter. This is the history of events:

    A friend and fan thought it would be cool to put up the pages on a private and supposedly secreted site that I and only a select few would be able to see. There were supposed to be no links that could get to the site from an outside page. The site was put on without my initial knowledge and when I found out about it, I was a bit concerned, but let it go when I was assured that no one except the original website creators and myself would be able to access the "secret" site. Unfortunately, ever-advancing computer technology soon made any efforts to keep the site inaccessible by the public at large a futile pipedream.

    I soon found out that pages had been downloaded by outsiders and I immediately asked for the original site to be taken down. However, the damage was already done and I later learned that others had downloaded the pages and posted them on their respective sites. Upon learning of this I, through a representative, politely asked that the pages be removed and the website owners just as politely removed them.

    And I thought that would be the end of that. Until now. With all the brouhaha about this ever-so-minor incident threatening to escalate due to uninformed speculation and accusations, I figured I'd better set the record straight here and now.

    As for my reasons: Quite simply, I didn't want to spoil the fun for anyone should DC and Marvel decide to print the original 21 pages in a collected volume of the current JLA/AVENGERS mini-series. The inclusion of these pages in such a collection is by no means guaranteed, but the likelihood might diminish if the pages were already old news to fandom at large.

    Also, as some have already noted, the characters are owned by their respective companies and I just didn't want to compromise my good relationship with them, especially regarding this project. I had no idea whether the printing of these pages on the Internet constitutes publication, but I figured it wasn't worth the hassle of finding out the hard way. DC and Marvel had no idea any of this was going on, and wouldn't have ever known had it not been for the information highway that allows for no privacy. This is not a slam or critcism, just an observation-- one which I already had and which prompted my initial reservations regarding the original "secret" site.

    So, that's it. No company conspiracies. No arm-twisting. Everyone involved understood my concerns and acted appropriately. They even went out of their way to protect my privacy by not volunteering the reasons for their actions. Unfortunately, on the information highway secrecy and privacy are the equilvalent of potholes and those need to be filled. I just wanted to make sure that this hole was filled with the proper material.

    And to update those wondering how this project is going, I'm now pencilling the second half of the third issue and all of Issue 1 has been inked with 6 pages already inked on Issue 2. I've designed all four wraparound covers and have begun pencilling the first one. I hope that it will be worth the significant wait when it comes out next year.

    Thanks for your time and attention,
    George Pérez

     August 9, 2002 | Perezgallery at Newsarama
    From Newsarama, thanks to Fin Fang Foom, via Avengers Board
    OMNIBUS: SAN DIEGO
    posted August 08, 2002 04:55 PM
    posted by michaelDORAN

    (excerpt)

  • ITEM! A reader by the name of Michelle wrote to us telling us a few websites dedicated to George Perez (http://perezgallery.crosswinds.net and http://perezgallery.crosswinds.net/JLAAOriginals.htm ) have been asked to remove images of his original JLA/Avengers (circa 1983) artwork from that infamous/never-published project.

    “I've been asked to remove the original pages for JLA-Avengers for the near future,” reads the notice on one website. “I've been asked to remove the original art for JLA-Avengers for reasons I'm not sure I can discuss right now,” reads the notice at the other.

    Though neither site specified who asked them to remove the work or why, current fan speculation is the artwork could possibly be reprinted as part of an eventual collected editions of the upcoming new JLA/Avengers project by Perez and Busiek, published cooperatively by Marvel and DC.

    Asked to comment, representatives for DC Comics told us they had no knowledge of who asked the artwork to be removed and why, or plans for the original 1983 artwork.

    Newsarama's Reader's comments


    Posted by R David Francis
  • posted August 08, 2002 06:16 PM

    Well, to shoot off my mouth without a net....

    First, the pages in question do depict trademarked characters of DC and Marvel; that in and of itself might be enough to let either of those organizations request that the pictures be taken down.

    Second, I don't think the displayers are necessarily the owners of the art. If I recall correctly, didn't Rob Liefeld buy the art? If he made the request, perhaps he's just trying to make sure that, if there is a deisre to print those pages in some collected edition (a notion that's been bandied about by fans and the like before), that he gets his cut from owning the art in question.

    However, I suspect that Marvel (or DC, whichever company paid Perez initially) owns the art for the purposes of publication (George has the right to sell the original art, but not to take the pages and publish them himself). And, if my admittedly-weak memory is correct, based on the stories of what went wrong, I think Marvel paid for the art in question. I seem to recall that Jim Shooter gave a lengthy explanation of how DC screwed the pooch on this, and DC gave a vague statement along the lines of "Mr. Shooter may remember things that way, but that doesn't mean that's what happened."

    So, DC not knowing anything about it doesn't necessarily mean anything, and there are any number of possibilities as to who made the request, and why.

    Posted by Looney As A Toon
    posted August 08, 2002 10:15 PM

    I met George Perez in late June at a comic book convention in NYC at Madison Square Garden and asked him - someone who should know - what if any plans are there for the 1983 JLA/Avengers pages that Liefield owns.... would they somehow be mixed in with the story he's illustrating right now....?

    He said they would not be a part of the JLA/Avengers project he's working on presently but that the pages would be reprinted in the hardcover edition that will come out after the series is over!

    By the way, he was gracious enough to show me a page of artwork for JLA/Avengers he was working on at the time of the show that weekend.... Superman and Captain America in the same frame and damn if it wasn't the coolest thing I ever saw!

    (Vu: I know the real reason for this, it has to do with copyright, but there's a little more to it, but I can't discuss it. I'm actually pretty surprise about the attention given to this matter! There was an earlier and quieter incident with DCFanpage.de, here: jla_avengers_original.php, which now just points back to their main JLA/Avengers page.)
     August 1, 2002 | Wizard #132 Article
    From WIZARD #132

    TALES FROM THE CRYPT
    By Mike Cotton
    Transcribed by Vu

    WIZARD uncovers the 10 greatest comic book stories never told!

    (excerpt)

    3. 1983's JLA/AVENGERS

    THE PLAYERS: Writer Gerry Conway and artist George Pérez
    THE PROJECT: JLA/Avengers

    THE STORY: In early 1983, writer Gerry Conway plotted out a JLA/Avengers one-shot to be drawn by George Pérez. The original story dealt with Marvel's villainous Kang and the Lord of Time from DC continuity going to the dawn of time and trying to reset history by creating a single, unified Earth. The new world would've been created in either Kan's or the Lord of Time's own image, depending on who won the prize. The story dealt with the "The Eggs of Time," which were little bits of time shot through the time continuum to be retrieved in various points of history. Kang uses the Avengers as his agents by stating that the Justice League are actually villains trying to get the Eggs for the Lord of Time, with the reverse happening with the Lord of Time, who tells the Justice League the same thing. The Avengers and the JLA were then going to be sent to different times in different location to get the Eggs, allowing for various confrontations between Superman and Thor, Quicksilver and Flash, the Red Tornado and the Vision and Batman taking on Captain America.

    WHY IT NEVER HAPPENED: Soon after Conway finalized his plot and Roy Thomas came in to rework certain parts of the story, Marvel and DC pulled the plug on the project when they couldn't come to terms as to how some of the battles between the two company's top characters would end. Reportedly, Marvel didn't like some of their biggest characters losing to second-tier DC heroes.

    WILL IT EVER HAPPEN: With the current JLA/Avengers mini-series by Kurt Busiek and Pérez planned for sometime in 2003, co-editor Tom Brevoort says there's always the possibility that the plot and early pages from the original JLA/Avengers might be included in a hardcover or trade paperback collection. "It's been casually mentioned, but we're nowhere near worrying about a collection at this point- our focus is on getting the series done," asserts Brevoort. "We'll figure out what to put in the collection once we're there."

     February 4, 2002 | Lost JLA/Avengers Pages
    From Vu
    I could not find a link directing to JLA/Avengers Lost Pages, so I'm assuming it is one of those neat hidden links. What makes this site incredible is that it features all 21 pages of the original JLA/AVENGERS pages, plus with liner notes from George Pérez himself.

      (excerpt)

    The finale is all a blur to me. I think it may have taken place at the very end of time. All I remember is the solution to the story had something to do with Green Arrow and Hawkeye. In the midst of a tumultuous scenario, these two men, the greatest archers of their respective Earths, had to each fire a single, souped-up arrow straight at each other so that the arrows hit each other dead center at an exact point in space and time. Then everything was okey-dokey, although for the life of me, I don't remeber how.

    Someday, perhaps a copy of the original plot will turn up and I can finally fill in the gaps - or find out I've remembered everything totally wrong. Maybe this is just how I want to remember it. Maybe it's all a dream.

    But then we can all dream, can't we?

    [ Read more on The Original 1984 Lost Pages (link no longer accessible) ]

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