Jim Shooter's story of the death of the Marvel/DC crossovers, part five
posted Jul 24, 2011 11:21 AM by vu sleeper
interesting blog in case you haven't seen it
The Secret Origin and Gooey Death of the Marvel/DC Crossovers – Part Five, the Last
Friday, July 22, 2011
And Then Things Got Ugly
Dick Giordano asked me to meet him for lunch on May 26th, I believe. He
picked an Italian place on Madison Avenue near 42nd Street, about
halfway between DC and Marvel’s offices.
He had this news: Gerry Conway had quit the project. Okay.
Apparently, that was Roy Thomas, however, had expressed interest in
scripting the book. Fine, I said, but he’s going to have to start from
scratch. First, we needed a new plot.
The Marvel Comics of the 1980’s site has this to say:
wasn’t hard to see why Perez would draw the conclusion that Jim Shooter
didn’t want this crossover with him, especially finally approving the
story after Perez had taken himself off the project.”
Wrong. I never approved the original plot. I approved Roy’s
rewritten plot. George actually bailed after I’d told Roy and Dick that
Roy’s revision was directionally okay.
In an interview, George Pérez said this:
“I do not want this taken wrongly because I am a fan of Don Heck’s
work. But Shooter knows full well that Heck will never sell the book,
not because of any inferiority in Don’s work, it’s just that he is not a
fan favorite and with a fan book this is definitely important. He is
doing everything in his power to sabotage this ...”
Why would I sabotage the project? In what way would that benefit me or Marvel?
am not going to let Jim Shooter get away with this, and I’m going to
use every available means to let people know what Jim’s done. If people
don’t believe what I say, at least I’ve gotten it out of my system.”
Get away with what? Where’s my gain?
I never spoke with George about this, during the brouhaha or since.
All that George heard was what DC people told him. Do you think they
told him that I was a steadfast champion of quality and a pillar of
integrity who did not want the characters that we, George and I, loved
being so ill-used in such a rotten-plot story?
| November 13, 2003 | Legion Companion Review
Well, with the retail price of $24.95, I
definitely would only recommend this book to hardcore George Pérez fans
Although there are a lot of great Steve Lightle and Dave Cockrum's
artwork, if you're only picking up for Pérez it might be a tough sell.
I have not had the chance to read
through it yet - but there are 222 pages and is very text-heavy. If you
like the Legion of Super-Heroes, this is the book for you. There are
lots of interviews with various Legion-related writers and artists, as
well as a lot of unpublished artwork featuring the Legion.
Here are some of the Pérez art that you'll find in the book:
SUN BOY (2001), LIGHTNING LAD/SATURN GIRL (1978), STARBOY (2002), LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES #278, Ladies of the Legion (early 80s), LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES #280, SUPERBOY/REFLECTO/ULTRABOY (1982), LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES #279, ULTRABOY (2002), ATMOS (2001), DAWNSTAR (2001), SUPERGIRL (1999), and DREAMER (2002). More Legionnaires artwork can be found on www.legionnaires.com.
I have never seen the 80's convention sketches, or Michael (Lieb?)'s commission of DREAMER.
Here is an excerpt from an interview with Jim Shooter (who also wrote the introduction to the book):
JIM SHOOTER PART TWO
interview 25 Jan 2003
conducted by Glen Cadigan
book was terrible. The thing is, George Pérez, with the art… [it]
looked great. [laughs] it was fine. But the plot was all screwed up. So
I rejected it. So they get into just a hissy fit, and they're writing
fanzine articles, and they're doing interviews, and they're writing in
their Bullpen Bulletins page what assholes we are and stuff like that.
had to reply. I wrote one column, saying, "This is what happened,"
'cause that was the only question I ever got asked at conventions. And
they were all up in arms. They kept saying, "It's fait accompli."
[Giordano] took me to lunch, and he said, "What's the difference? Who
gives a shit? Just put a bunch of characters in it, they fight, it'll
sell like crazy. We'll all make money." He said, "None of these books
are any good."
"excuse me, I wrote one, and it's not bad and it could be good, and at
least it should be faifthful to the characters. "
| September 22, 2003 | Baltimore Con Report (SunWuKong)
My Baltimore Comicon Report
posted 9/21/03 7:29 PM
Just got back from the Baltimore Comicon
2003 and, as usual, I had one hell of a time (and hell on my finances).
Here's what I can remember from the con regarding Perez:
That's all I can think of right now. I'll see how much will get back to me later on in the week.
- Crossgen's "The War"
is going to be 3 issues long and it's going to be written by Ron Marz.
The first issue is going to be solicted in May of 2004. It's going to
resolve many storylines in many of the Crossgen titles.
- Perez is jubelent about JLA/Avengers first issue success. He says that he can finally clear out is debts and then some. The selling of the art alone is going to provide his wife with a new car! He also is very glad that this series is totally going to be for the fans.
- As of today. 1/4 of issue 4 of JLA/Avengers
is pen & inked. It looks like it will meet the Dec 31st release
date. Perez is very commited to meeting the deadline so that all of the
issues will be released before 2004.
- There is talk of about what format the collected edition is going to be. Perez said that DC is talking to put it into an "absolute" HC format (which I will lobby to no end!). They also said that the prior JLA/Avengers art might be printed in the collected edition as well.
- Perez needs the cover to issue 3 back because he needs to draw 4 more characters in it! It took 3 weeks for him to draw it. Tom Smith was asking fan at the con to find him color references for some of the characters!
- I did get one nugget of exclusive info. Hawkeye and Black Canary will meet in issue 3.
From Twomorrows Mailing List
| July 17, 2003 | Back Issue Cover & Info
Coming Soon - November 2003 Shipping
Thu, 17 Jul 2003 22:31:58 -0000
This is TwoMorrows Publishing's July 2003 "Coming Soon" newsletter
spotlighting our November-shipping items.
BACK ISSUE #1
Jump on board for the ultimate comics experience: BACK ISSUE magazine!
Edited by Michael Eury (former DC and Dark Horse editor/writer and
author of Captain Action: The Original Super-Hero Action Figure), BACK
ISSUE celebrates comic books of the 1970s, 1980s, and today through a
variety of recurring (and rotating) departments. #1's theme is "DC vs.
Marvel," featuring: A "Pro2Pro" dialogue between Marv Wolfman and
George Pérez on the pros and cons of working for Marvel and DC in
the '70s and '80s-accompanied by rare Pérez artwork! A "Greatest
Stories Never Told" examination of the original JLA/Avengers
crossover, featuring unpublished George Pérez pages-plus a
spotlight on the new JLA/Avengers miniseries! A "Rough Stuff" look at
'70s and '80s DC and Marvel penciled artwork by the "King" himself,
Jack Kirby! A "Beyond Capes" evaluation of DC's and Marvel's Tarzan
series, with interviews with and artwork by Joe Kubert, John Buscema,
and Roy Thomas! An "Off My Chest" guest editorial by former DC
editorial director Carmine Infantino, recalling DC's 1970s' battle
plan to challenge Marvel's market dominance! PLUS: A "Back Talk"
letters column featuring commentary from ppos and fans who aren't
afraid to choose sides in the DC vs. Marvel war, and a dynamic Batman
vs. Captain America cover by George Pérez!
The 100 page, saddle-stitched 8-1/2" x 11" magazine with a full color
cover and black-and-white interiors retails for $5.95 in the U.S. and
is available directly from TwoMorrows for $8 Postpaid (Canada: $10,
Elsewhere: $11 Surface, $15 Airmail). Ships in November.
From Glen Cadigan
| July 2, 2003 | Shooter on JLA/A
There's something else inside [LEGION COMPANION TPB]
which may interest Perez fans. During my interview with Jim Shooter, we
got a little off track and started discussing the inter-company
crossovers between Marvel and DC during the Seventies and Eighties. He
went on record, at length, about the first JLA/Avengers crossover and
told his side of the story. I don't want to give it all away, but Perez
fans can rest assured that George's pencils weren't the reason why the
project got cancelled. Still, it's kind of ironic that the first issue
of the new JLA/Avengers is going on sale the same month as the Shooter
interview. Talk about timing!
| June 22, 2003 | Back Issue #1 Features Perez
Sources say that TwoMorrows will be starting a new monthly magazine, edited by Michael Eury, to replace Comic Book Artist. The first issue this fall will reportedly have a Perez cover, and a planned interview between George Perez, Marv Wolfman, and Andy Mangels. There will also be material in the issue about the original JLA/Avengers book. More news as it becomes available.
| June 3, 2003 | Cup O' Joe Transcription
Eric: Ah Yes, Joe (Quesada). Tom (Brevoort) announced yesterday that JLA/AVENGERS
is coming out in September and George (Perez) has said you were one of the
catalyst to get this project up and running... Was it one of those things that
when you started up as Editor-in-Chief that you wanted to get done?
Mr. Joe Quesada: Ah Yeah, there were a bunch of little dream projects and things
that were just sort of sitting around.. and things just didn't get done because
things became a pissing match between MARVEL and DC... you know... Ah... So one of
the first things I did was... I just pulled Tom (Brevoort) aside... and I had a list
of things I wanted to get done and I pulled Tom aside... who, who... if you don't
know Tom Brevoort is... he is one of the greatest comic historians EVER.
Tom could tell you everything about the history of comics. I said, 'Tom just give me the
history of why this project didn't happen' and he just laid it out for me. I was
like 'Wow'... So it just like, you know, someone handed in something late to one
company so the other company retaliation, handed in their end even later and
then someone insulted someone and so on and so on... and the thing never got
So I figured you know what... (jokingly) before I start insulting people at
DC, let me get this project going. (jokingly) OK so I got the project going
then started insulted people at DC... but It ws just one of those things we just
sat down with DC and said "look lets just do this". You know, George is not
getting any younger, and no of us are getting any younger, and the fans have been
asking for this forever.. Lets just do it!
We got all the pieces in place and then
once these guys started, we just all stepped away and just let them
it. We worked out a nice little clean deal were it's all happy... and
everybody's happy go lucky and we'll have a great book out that will
live forever. So George can know... you know... Someday when George
leaves this mortal plane it will be on his tombstone: 'JLA/AVENGERS...
From WIZARD #142 (Jul 03)
| May 30, 2003 | Shooter Interview in Wizard
Written by Mike Cotton
Lauded as a comic genius,
Editor-in-Chief Jim Shooter presided over the most tumultuous - and
groundbreaking - tenure in Marvel Comics history
In 1982, Shooter agreed to a JLA/Avengers one-shot with DC Comics. The project quickly dissolved into a disaster.
Four months into the project, Shooter
received the first plot and found it complete unreadable. The Marvel
EIC refused to allow artist George Pérez to even begin penciling the
book until a new plot was submitted. However, his edict was allegedly
ignored, and Pérez penciled over 20 pages before finally being told to
stop drawing. As the plot was revised, both parties became
short-tempered and the project was scuttled. Marv Wolfman, the man who
hired Shooter (and the third writer to work on the crossover), pointed
the finger at his one-time protégé.
"Jim has gone out of his way to put a
wedge between Marvel and every other company," Wolfman told a British
fanzine in September of 1983. "He doesn't want team-ups."
But according to Louise Simpson, Shooter
wasn't a tyrant - just a man who was so passionate about producing some
of the best comics in the world had ever seen, placating egos wasn't a
"I think people did take his enthusiasm
the wrong way," says Simpson. "[Creators and editors] did think he was
mean. After a while you just get tired and you want people to shut up
and do what they're told - do it right and do it the right the first
time. I mean, you say the same things 500 times and you figure you've
said it enough that people should just do it."
| May 10, 2003 | JLA/A Panel Part 7
10 May 2003 12:46:49 -0400
transcribed by ES
Continuing the extensive coverage of THE JLA/AVENGERS PANEL from PITTSBURGH COMICON (April 25-27, 2003).
Fan: What's the difference this time between working on it, this
time around and as it was 20 years ago working with ah you know Roy (Thomas) and all of them?
George Perez: There are many difference
between this version and the last version. You see one of the things we
can't recapture with this version is the uniqueness of it. There have
been so many Marvel/DC crossovers in the course of the 20 years since
the original JLA/AVENGERS was planned, ah, that's one negative we can
never be able to get back.
That by the very nature we are doing
Post-Crisis versions of a lot of characters. Hey, the word "Post" and
"Pre" Crisis didn't exist when the original JLA/AVENGERS
was done. It proceeded the CRISIS ON INFINITE EARTH series which some
of the concepts for the original JLA/AVENGERS were used in CRISIS ON
INFINITE EARTH and we are utilizing some of those same concepts for the
You see there are just so many comic
stories you can do. You are probably going to notice when you see the
first five pages a definite little tip of the hat to CRISIS ON INFINITE
EARTH you'll be able to tell when you see it, ah, if you can't see it
well then you will have to ask what were you talking about?
Ah, I like to think I have improved as a
artist in 20 years. I would not have had the skill to ink myself, ah,
20 years ago on a project that big, which is why Dick Giordano was the
inker at the time, ah, and story wise Kurt probably because of the
history, ah, of the original project is treating this like the major
event that he feels and we all feel that it is.
I, with all do respect to Gerry Conway,
I believe he thought of it a just another job and Kurt is there to say,
'Ok people have two decades, we didn't have 20 years of anticipation
then either and we have a lot to ah hopefully live up to.'
Are we going to make a lot of people
happy we hope so are we going to make some people upset or feeling less
that fulfilled probably 20 years of anticipations a lot to live up to.
All I can say is that we are trying are best there and that no one is
taking any short cuts, ah, there was one issue of JLA/AVENGERS I think
went through eight rewrites and I might be underestimating, ah, the
only redrawing I had to do was that damn GREEN LANTERN costume (laughs).
After a while (background noise)
sorry no one changes their underwear much less their custom during the
rest of the story but one thing great advantage of still working on it
is there is a possibility that I can sneak in the new version of
Aquaman now somewhere in the four issue to keep it current.
You know so much has changed in the
course of the two years that I have been drawing this project so I will
do something but the main parts of the story AQUAMAN is, ah, Captain
Hook, ah, and that's the interpretation we are using for the bulk of
the story because that's how he was when we started.
I think most people are smart enough to
know that this isn't set in any real time. It is set in Earth-$ (Dollar
Sign) that I call it (everyone laughs). You are going to see
members of the JLA that if you look at them visually and they don't
correspond to maybe the AVENGERS in that same Time frame but of course
you are going to have to be a little flexible.
One of the great things also because so
much history has changed in the course of MARVEL and DC Universes is
this story has a lot more time spanning and time travel aspects to it
and inter-dimension type stuff so we get to draw things that if you had
to be literal to the time line you wouldn't get a chance to do.
You couldn't draw Hal Jordan as GREEN
LANTERN, you would have to be literal to your time line, ah, certain
characters who are dead, ah, or otherwise no longer able to function,
you want to be able to use them, the fans want to see them. There are
the Hal Jordan fans who are going to be very happy as I said.
I get to draw the gold eagle on WONDER
WOMAN barde again. Despite the fact technically under the continuity it
shouldn't exist ever because I rebooted the character, ah, but Kurt
said you know if we put it here and we can explain it away because who
wouldn't want to see that eagle one last time.
You know, so, yes, Kurt, Tom and
everyone involved with the book are big fan boys as am I so one of the
problems we had with the original one was: A) It was shorter so you had
little you could expand and, ah, some of the criticisms of the plot
were that you couldn't show this character because it didn't follow the
literal time line and my whole feeling than and now is this is a fan
boy's dream. This is what you have been waiting to see.
Yes, Kurt is going to try to make it as
logical as possible but there is going to be some stuff that, as Marv
Wolfman says, you are going to have to spray the fairy dust on and let
your imagination run wild. We are going to have fun with this book.
It's a lot of work and I hope it's going to be worth the wait for you,
ah, for me (laughs)
I just looking forward to not having to answer when is JLA/AVENGERS coming out, which is the reason you guys are here (laughs)
to be continued...
Coming up: George talks about the Spectre, Hal Jordan, and James Corrigan.
| March 3, 2003 | What The?
I don't know if you have seen
or read it but the 12-page story is hilarious. (Cover Dated April
It is called "Us Against Them" and it's a spoof of the
Avengers/Justice League crossover that never happened.
January 4, 2003 | JLA/A Poll
you like to see the original JLA/Avengers story finished as well by
someone like Phil Jimenez? (since George Perez will be contractually
forbidden to do anymore on it)
Hell Yea! That's a no brainer.
Yes, but not by Phil.
I could care less.
If George can't do it, no one can.
Have different popular artist each do a chapter of the un finished story.
Updated 06 Jan 03
From Kirk: George will finish the current series that will be out
later this year, but after the series is finished he won't be allowed to do work
for say JLA/Avengers series two. Should they ever decide to do one. I'm not
sure, but I don't think he be able to do work for anyone but Crossgen. The Poll
is refering to the original story from 1982 that featured the JLA and Avengers
from the early 80's of course, of which George had already penciled 21 pages
before it was cancelled. The pages looked great, but he'll never finish them.
Chapters we could've looked forward to included a big Superman/Thor fight aboard
Galactus ship and so on. So if George can't finish it, why not give us a bonus
and let Phil Jimenez finish that original story. Who cares about continuity. It
can be an else worlds story. The already penciled pages look awesome! Or
possibly finish the first story with a different art team doing a different
chapter like Alan Davis doing the chapter with Green Lantern and Ironman. Or
Bryan Hitch doing the Aquaman and Namor chapter.
From George Pérez, via
November 1, 2002 | Comics Interview Cover
posted 10/31/02 3:06 PM
I mentioned this in my
panel at the Baltimore Comicon so I figure I should clarify something
here as well since I noticed the same mistake in a recent update by Vu.
The JLA/AVENGERS cover that appeared in COMICS INTERVIEW #6 and
reprinted in other editions of the magazine was an original done
specifically for that magazine. There is no JLA/AVENGERS cover that was
drawn specifically for the crossover.
So, technically. it
should be listed in all checklists as the cover of COMICS INTERVIEW #6
and any reprinting of it should refer to it as a reprint of the cover
of CI#6, not JLA/AVENGERS #1.
I hope that's clear. I know how much the fans appreciate accuracy.
Original Cover art JLA/AVENGERS
Thu, 31 Oct 2002 00:21:16 -0500
I found out from Mr. Perez at the JLA/Avengers panel in Baltimore that
the comic cover drawn for the Comics Interview Magazine was never the
cover to the actual project. It was just drawn for the magazine. Mr.
Perez stated he never got a chance to do a cover before the project was
stopped. Just thought that was interesting trivia that I never knew.
October 30, 2002 | Spotlight on Comics Interview
| August 10, 2002 |
Additional Newsarama Comments
From Kurt Busiek
posted August 09, 2002 02:03 PM
From George Pérez
How can they ask the sites to remove the pages? If they belong to a
private buyer, they are his/hers to display.>>
No, they're not.
the physical artwork does not give you the right to publish it. DC and
Marvel retain the copyright to those pages, which includes the right to
publish them on the web.
private buyer -- in this case, the owner of the physical pages is Rob
Liefeld, who doesn't seem to be the guy who put them up on the web --
has the right to display the actual physical pages, but not the right
to publish copies or scans of them, even electronically.
That said, I don't know who asked for them to be taken down either, or why.
posted August 09, 2002 03:03 PM
Believe it or not, I actually signed on to this message board
strictly to address the unexpected controversy regarding the removal of
the 1980's JLA/AVENGERS pages from two websites.
foremost: I was the one who asked that the pages be removed, and no one
at either DC or Marvel were aware of anything regarding this matter.
This is the history of events:
and fan thought it would be cool to put up the pages on a private and
supposedly secreted site that I and only a select few would be able to
see. There were supposed to be no links that could get to the site from
an outside page. The site was put on without my initial knowledge and
when I found out about it, I was a bit concerned, but let it go when I
was assured that no one except the original website creators and myself
would be able to access the "secret" site. Unfortunately,
ever-advancing computer technology soon made any efforts to keep the
site inaccessible by the public at large a futile pipedream.
found out that pages had been downloaded by outsiders and I immediately
asked for the original site to be taken down. However, the damage was
already done and I later learned that others had downloaded the pages
and posted them on their respective sites. Upon learning of this I,
through a representative, politely asked that the pages be removed and
the website owners just as politely removed them.
thought that would be the end of that. Until now. With all the brouhaha
about this ever-so-minor incident threatening to escalate due to
uninformed speculation and accusations, I figured I'd better set the
record straight here and now.
As for my
reasons: Quite simply, I didn't want to spoil the fun for anyone should
DC and Marvel decide to print the original 21 pages in a collected
volume of the current JLA/AVENGERS mini-series. The inclusion of these
pages in such a collection is by no means guaranteed, but the
likelihood might diminish if the pages were already old news to fandom
some have already noted, the characters are owned by their respective
companies and I just didn't want to compromise my good relationship
with them, especially regarding this project. I had no idea whether the
printing of these pages on the Internet constitutes publication, but I
figured it wasn't worth the hassle of finding out the hard way. DC and
Marvel had no idea any of this was going on, and wouldn't have ever
known had it not been for the information highway that allows for no
privacy. This is not a slam or critcism, just an observation-- one
which I already had and which prompted my initial reservations
regarding the original "secret" site.
that's it. No company conspiracies. No arm-twisting. Everyone involved
understood my concerns and acted appropriately. They even went out of
their way to protect my privacy by not volunteering the reasons for
their actions. Unfortunately, on the information highway secrecy and
privacy are the equilvalent of potholes and those need to be filled. I
just wanted to make sure that this hole was filled with the proper
update those wondering how this project is going, I'm now pencilling
the second half of the third issue and all of Issue 1 has been inked
with 6 pages already inked on Issue 2. I've designed all four
wraparound covers and have begun pencilling the first one. I hope that
it will be worth the significant wait when it comes out next year.
Thanks for your time and attention,
From Newsarama, thanks to Fin Fang Foom, via Avengers Board
| August 9, 2002 |
Perezgallery at Newsarama
OMNIBUS: SAN DIEGO
posted August 08, 2002 04:55 PM
posted by michaelDORAN
ITEM! A reader by the name of Michelle wrote to us telling us a few websites dedicated to George Perez (http://perezgallery.crosswinds.net and
) have been asked to remove images of his original JLA/Avengers (circa
1983) artwork from that infamous/never-published project.
“I've been asked to remove the original pages for JLA-Avengers for
the near future,” reads the notice on one website. “I've been asked to
remove the original art for JLA-Avengers for reasons I'm not sure I can
discuss right now,” reads the notice at the other.
Though neither site specified who asked them to remove the work or why,
current fan speculation is the artwork could possibly be reprinted as
part of an eventual collected editions of the upcoming new JLA/Avengers
project by Perez and Busiek, published cooperatively by Marvel and DC.
Asked to comment, representatives for DC Comics told us they had no
knowledge of who asked the artwork to be removed and why, or plans for
the original 1983 artwork.
Newsarama's Reader's comments
Posted by R David Francis
posted August 08, 2002 06:16 PM
Posted by Looney As A Toon
Well, to shoot off my mouth without a net....
First, the pages in question do depict
trademarked characters of DC and Marvel; that in and of itself might be
enough to let either of those organizations request that the pictures
be taken down.
Second, I don't think the displayers are
necessarily the owners of the art. If I recall correctly, didn't Rob
Liefeld buy the art? If he made the request, perhaps he's just trying
to make sure that, if there is a deisre to print those pages in some
collected edition (a notion that's been bandied about by fans and the
like before), that he gets his cut from owning the art in question.
However, I suspect that Marvel (or DC,
whichever company paid Perez initially) owns the art for the purposes
of publication (George has the right to sell the original art, but not
to take the pages and publish them himself). And, if my admittedly-weak
memory is correct, based on the stories of what went wrong, I think
Marvel paid for the art in question. I seem to recall that Jim Shooter
gave a lengthy explanation of how DC screwed the pooch on this, and DC
gave a vague statement along the lines of "Mr. Shooter may remember
things that way, but that doesn't mean that's what happened."
So, DC not knowing anything about it
doesn't necessarily mean anything, and there are any number of
possibilities as to who made the request, and why.
posted August 08, 2002 10:15 PM
(Vu: I know the real reason for this, it has to do with copyright,
but there's a little more to it, but I can't discuss it. I'm actually
pretty surprise about the attention given to this matter! There was an
earlier and quieter incident with DCFanpage.de, here: jla_avengers_original.php, which now just points back to their main JLA/Avengers page.)
I met George Perez in late June at a comic book convention in NYC at Madison Square Garden
and asked him - someone who should know - what if any plans are there
for the 1983 JLA/Avengers pages that Liefield owns.... would they
somehow be mixed in with the story he's illustrating right now....?
He said they would not be a part of the
JLA/Avengers project he's working on presently but that the pages would
be reprinted in the hardcover edition that will come out after the
series is over!
By the way, he was gracious enough to
show me a page of artwork for JLA/Avengers he was working on at the
time of the show that weekend.... Superman and Captain America in the
same frame and damn if it wasn't the coolest thing I ever saw!
From WIZARD #132
| August 1, 2002 |
Wizard #132 Article
TALES FROM THE CRYPT
By Mike Cotton
Transcribed by Vu
WIZARD uncovers the 10 greatest comic book stories never told!
3. 1983's JLA/AVENGERS
THE PLAYERS: Writer Gerry Conway and artist George Pérez
THE PROJECT: JLA/Avengers
THE STORY: In early 1983, writer Gerry
Conway plotted out a JLA/Avengers one-shot to be drawn by George Pérez.
The original story dealt with Marvel's villainous Kang and the Lord of
Time from DC continuity going to the dawn of time and trying to reset
history by creating a single, unified Earth. The new world would've
been created in either Kan's or the Lord of Time's own image, depending
on who won the prize. The story dealt with the "The Eggs of Time,"
which were little bits of time shot through the time continuum to be
retrieved in various points of history. Kang uses the Avengers as his
agents by stating that the Justice League are actually villains trying
to get the Eggs for the Lord of Time, with the reverse happening with
the Lord of Time, who tells the Justice League the same thing. The
Avengers and the JLA were then going to be sent to different times in
different location to get the Eggs, allowing for various confrontations
between Superman and Thor, Quicksilver and Flash, the Red Tornado and
the Vision and Batman taking on Captain America.
WHY IT NEVER HAPPENED: Soon after Conway
finalized his plot and Roy Thomas came in to rework certain parts of
the story, Marvel and DC pulled the plug on the project when they
couldn't come to terms as to how some of the battles between the two
company's top characters would end. Reportedly, Marvel didn't like some
of their biggest characters losing to second-tier DC heroes.
WILL IT EVER HAPPEN: With the current
JLA/Avengers mini-series by Kurt Busiek and Pérez planned for sometime
in 2003, co-editor Tom Brevoort says there's always the possibility
that the plot and early pages from the original JLA/Avengers might be
included in a hardcover or trade paperback collection. "It's been
casually mentioned, but we're nowhere near worrying about a collection
at this point- our focus is on getting the series done," asserts
Brevoort. "We'll figure out what to put in the collection once we're
| February 4, 2002 |
Lost JLA/Avengers Pages
I could not find a link
directing to JLA/Avengers Lost Pages, so I'm assuming it is one of
those neat hidden links.
What makes this site incredible is that it features all 21 pages of the
original JLA/AVENGERS pages, plus with liner notes from George Pérez
finale is all a blur to me. I think it may have taken place at the very
end of time. All I remember is the solution to the story had something
to do with Green Arrow and Hawkeye. In the midst of a tumultuous
scenario, these two men, the greatest archers of their respective
Earths, had to each fire a single, souped-up arrow straight at each
other so that the arrows hit each other dead center at an exact point
in space and time. Then everything was okey-dokey, although for the
life of me, I don't remeber how.
perhaps a copy of the original plot will turn up and I can finally fill
in the gaps - or find out I've remembered everything totally wrong.
Maybe this is just how I want to remember it. Maybe it's all a dream.
But then we can all dream, can't we?
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